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          1             BEFORE THE MISSOURI GAMING COMMISSION

 

          2                       STATE OF MISSOURI

 

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          6                            Meeting

 

          7                        January 17, 2007

 

          8                        3417 Knipp Drive

 

          9                    Jefferson City, Missouri

 

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              COMMISSIONERS PRESENT:

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              Noel Shull, Chairman

         14   Samuel J. Hais, Commissioner

              Darryl Jones, Commissioner

         15   Larry W. Plunkett, Sr., Commissioner

 

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         20   REPORTED BY:

 

         21   TRACY L. THORPE TAYLOR, CSR, CCR

              MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES

         22   3610 Buttonwood

              Columbia, Missouri  65201

         23   (573) 442-3600

              (573) 636-7551

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          1                           I N D E X

 

          2   I.    Call to Order

 

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              II.   Consideration of Minutes

          4         A.  October 25, 2006

                        November 3, 2006

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              III.  Ratification of Licensees - Dave Welch

          6         C.  Ameristar Casino Kansas City, Inc.

                        1.  Resolution No. 07-001

          7         D.  Ameristar Casino St. Charles, Inc.

                        1.  Resolution No. 07-002

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              IV.   Consideration of Relicensure of Class A Licensees

          9         E.  HGI-St. Jo, Inc.

                        Presentation by Applicant - Jerry Riffel,

         10             Sean Higgins, Craig Travers, A.J. Wiedmaier

                        Presentation by City of St. Joseph - Ken Shearin,

         11             Bill Falkner

                        Public Comment

         12             Investigative Summary - Sgt. Phil Morrison

                        Staff Recommendation

         13             Resolution No. 07-003

 

         14         F.  HGI-Mark Twain, Inc.

                        Presentation by Applicant - Jerry Riffel, Sean

         15             Higgins, Robert Thursby

                        Presentation by City of LaGrange - Steve

         16             Griesbaum, Mark Campbell

                        Public Comment

         17             Investigative Summary - Trooper Mike Arand

                        Staff Recommendation

         18             Resolution No. 07-004

 

         19   V.    Consideration of Relicensure of Certain Suppliers -

                        Lt. Gary Moore

         20         G.  United States Playing Card Company

                        1.  Resolution No. 07-005

         21         H.  George C. Matteson Company, Inc., d/b/a GEMACO

                        Playing Card Company

         22             1.  Resolution No. 07-006

                    I.  Atronic Americas, LLC

         23             1.  Resolution No. 07-007

                    J.  Mikohn Gaming d/b/a Progressive Gaming

         24             International Corp.

                        1.  Resolution No. 07-008

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          1   VI.   Consideration of Licensure of Certain Supplier -

                        Lt. Gary Moore

          2         K.  Konami Gaming, Incorporated

                        1.  Resolution No. 07-009

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              VII.  Consideration of Level I/Key Applicants - Lt. Gary

          4   Moore

                    L.  Resolution No. 07-010

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              VIII. Consideration of Rules and Regulations - Dave Welch

          6         N.  Final Orders of Rulemaking

                        1.  11 CSR 45-12-080 - Hours of Operation

          7             2.  11 CSR 45-30.280 - Net Receipts from Bingo and

                            Bank Account

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              IX.   Presentation by City of Sugar Creek - Doug Stone

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              X.    Closed Session

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              XI.   Adjournment

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          1                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  The first order, would you

 

          2   please call the role.

 

          3                  MS. FRANKS:  Chairman Shull?

 

          4                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  Present.

 

          5                  MS. FRANKS:  Commissioner Jones?

 

          6                  COMMISSIONER JONES:  Present.

 

          7                  MS. FRANKS:  Commissioner Hais?

 

          8                  COMMISSIONER HAIS:  Present.

 

          9                  MS. FRANKS:  Commissioner Plunkett?

 

         10                  COMMISSIONER PLUNKETT:  Present.

 

         11                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  We have the minutes of the

 

         12   October 25th meeting.  Are there any corrections, deletions,

 

         13   changes that should be made?

 

         14                  COMMISSIONER PLUNKETT:  No, sir.

 

         15                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  Could I have a motion to

 

         16   approve?

 

         17                  COMMISSIONER HAIS:  Motion to approve the

 

         18   minutes.

 

         19                  COMMISSIONER PLUNKETT:  Second.

 

         20                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  Is there any further

 

         21   discussion on those?

 

         22                  Call the role.

 

         23                  MS. FRANKS:  Chairman Shull?

 

         24                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  Approved.

 

         25                  MS. FRANKS:  Commissioner Jones?

 

 

 

 

 

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          1                  COMMISSIONER JONES:  Approved.

 

          2                  MS. FRANKS:  Commissioner Hais?

 

          3                  COMMISSIONER HAIS:  Approved.

 

          4                  MS. FRANKS:  Commissioner Plunkett?

 

          5                  COMMISSIONER PLUNKETT:  Approved.

 

          6                  MS. FRANKS:  By your vote, you've adopted the

 

          7   minutes of the October 25th, 2006 meeting.

 

          8                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  Thank you.

 

          9                  The next issue is November 3rd, 2006 minutes.

 

         10   Are there any corrections, deletions, change to those minutes?

 

         11                  If not, could I have a motion?

 

         12                  COMMISSIONER HAIS:  Move to approve those

 

         13   minutes also, Mr. Chairman.

 

         14                  COMMISSIONER PLUNKETT:  Second.

 

         15                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  Are there any further

 

         16   discussions regarding those?

 

         17                  If not, call the role.

 

         18                  MS. FRANKS:  Chairman Shull?

 

         19                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  Approved.

 

         20                  MS. FRANKS:  Commissioner Jones?

 

         21                  COMMISSIONER JONES:  Approved.

 

         22                  MS. FRANKS:  Commissioner Hais?

 

         23                  COMMISSIONER HAIS:  Approved.

 

         24                  MS. FRANKS:  Commissioner Plunkett?

 

         25                  COMMISSIONER PLUNKETT:  Approved.

 

 

 

 

 

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          1                  MS. FRANKS:  By your vote, you've adopted the

 

          2   minutes of the November 3rd, 2006 meeting.

 

          3                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  Mr. McNary, would you like to

 

          4   go ahead and introduce the next --

 

          5                  MR. MCNARY:  Yes, sir.

 

          6                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  -- order of business, please?

 

          7                  MR. MCNARY:  Mr. Chairman, members of the

 

          8   Commission, first I'd like to introduce our new general

 

          9   counsel, Christopher Hinckley.  Chris, will you please stand.

 

         10                  MR. HINCKLEY:  Good morning.

 

         11                  MR. MCNARY:  Mr. Hinckley is from the circuit

 

         12   attorney's office, senior trial lawyer and litigator and

 

         13   brings a new dimension to the Commission.  So I wanted you to

 

         14   meet him.

 

         15                  Next item, ratification of licenses, David

 

         16   Welch will handle if he can make it to the podium.

 

         17                  MR. WELCH:  Mr. Chairman, members of the

 

         18   Commission, we have two licenses that would have expired on

 

         19   the 21st and 22nd of December I believe are the exact dates.

 

         20   Those were after our Commission meetings and they had not been

 

         21   previously renewed.

 

         22                  Under 11 CSR 45-1.020, paragraph 4, the

 

         23   Commission -- Commission chairman was allowed to extend those

 

         24   licenses, but that extension has to be ratified by the full

 

         25   Commission at the next regular meeting.  These resolutions,

 

 

 

 

 

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          1   07-001 and 002 ratify those.  And I would ask your adoption of

 

          2   that ratification in a single vote ratifying both resolutions.

 

          3                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  Are there any questions

 

          4   regarding the resolutions?

 

          5                  If not, why don't we just approve both of them

 

          6   at once?

 

          7                  COMMISSIONER PLUNKETT:  I'll make a motion to

 

          8   approve Resolution 07-001 and 002.

 

          9                  COMMISSIONER HAIS:  Second.

 

         10                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  Is there any further

 

         11   discussion on the resolution?

 

         12                  If not , call the role.

 

         13                  MS. FRANKS:  Chairman Shull?

 

         14                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  Approved.

 

         15                  MS. FRANKS:  Commissioner Jones?

 

         16                  COMMISSIONER JONES:  Approved.

 

         17                  MS. FRANKS:  Commissioner Hais?

 

         18                  COMMISSIONER HAIS:  Approved.

 

         19                  MS. FRANKS:  By your vote, you've adopted

 

         20   Resolution Nos. 07-001 and 07-002.

 

         21                  MR. MCNARY:  Mr. Chairman, item four on the

 

         22   agenda is consideration of relicensure of Class A licensees,

 

         23   HGI- St. Jo, Inc.  And the presentation will be made by the

 

         24   applicant:  Jerry Riffel; his general counsel, Sean Higgins;

 

         25   Craig Travers, general manager; and A.J. Wiedmaier, compliance

 

 

 

 

 

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          1   officer will make a presentation.

 

          2                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  Thank you.

 

          3                  MR. RIFFEL:  Thank you, Mr. McNary.

 

          4                  Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission, we

 

          5   appreciate your time and consideration today.  I'm Jerry

 

          6   Riffel.  I'm outside counsel for the Herbst Companies in

 

          7   Missouri and we certainly appreciate your consideration.

 

          8                  I would like to introduce to you the Herbst

 

          9   team.  If the Herbst team would stand up, I would appreciate

 

         10   it.  There are a lot of us here today.  We've got Ed Herbst,

 

         11   president and CEO; Tim Herbst, vice president; and Troy

 

         12   Herbst, secretary/treasurer.

 

         13                  And then we have Jerry, who's the founder of

 

         14   our company that we're delighted to have with us.  We have the

 

         15   chief operating officer, Mark Sturbins; the two general

 

         16   managers, Bob Thursby and Craig Travers; and our director of

 

         17   compliance and internal audit in Missouri, A.J. Wiedmaier.

 

         18   Where are you, A.J.?

 

         19                  MR. WIEDMAIER:  Right here.

 

         20                  MR. RIFFEL:  Thank you.  I would now like to

 

         21   present to you Sean Higgins.  He's our national general

 

         22   counsel and he will make the presentation.  Sean.

 

         23                  MR. HIGGINS:  Thank you.  Chairman,

 

         24   Commissioners, Executive McNary, I appreciate your time here

 

         25   today.  I've got some handouts for everyone, so I'm going to

 

 

 

 

 

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          1   hand those out to you.  And I would beg your indulgence to

 

          2   bear with me.  As an attorney, I'm not always the best with

 

          3   audiovisual equipment, but I will give an effort.

 

          4                  We have a two-part presentation.  Obviously

 

          5   the first one will be for HGI-St. Jo and at the end of this

 

          6   presentation, I will introduce the individuals from St. Joseph

 

          7   and Buchanan County who will make their comments at that time.

 

          8                  We just completed a second successful year of

 

          9   operations at Terrible's St. Jo Frontier Casino.  We increased

 

         10   the revenues to both the county and the city over 25 percent

 

         11   over our results from 2005.  Obviously that is due, in part,

 

         12   to our -- one, admissions being up over 10 percent year to

 

         13   year based on our monthly averages as well as our adjusted

 

         14   gross receipts increasing to approximately 28 million to over

 

         15   35 1/2 million dollars year to year 2006 over 2005.

 

         16                  Additionally, in 2006, we spent approximately

 

         17   $5.6 million on capital improvements on this property.  The

 

         18   Commissioners, in your packet, have the breakdown of that.

 

         19   There's not a slide for it, but the breakdown is included

 

         20   behind your sheet showing where those capital improvements

 

         21   were spent.

 

         22                  And what I'd like to do is simply show you

 

         23   some before and after slides showing where those capital

 

         24   improvement dollars went, both on the exterior of the

 

         25   facility, upgrading the exterior facade, the signage, the

 

 

 

 

 

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          1   visibility as well as the interior.

 

          2                  And here's a prior-to renovation interior.

 

          3   There is a post-renovation interior.  Again, prior.  That

 

          4   would be -- where did it go.  Come on.  There we go.

 

          5                  The -- in 2004 -- or '5, our first year of

 

          6   operation we spent the vast majority of our capital

 

          7   improvements on the casino floor itself including upgrading

 

          8   and replacing the vast majority of casino games.  And in 2006

 

          9   the vast majority of the capital improvements went to

 

         10   improving our physical and land-based facilities.

 

         11                  As you can see here, we upgraded the public

 

         12   spaces as well as the restaurant facilities.  We installed a

 

         13   new buffet and sit-down restaurant, upgraded the facilities,

 

         14   we expanded and added about 4,000 square feet to the

 

         15   land-based facility for additional facilities and additional

 

         16   seating in the restaurant area and a new bar facility as well.

 

         17   And, again, this is the casino floor prior to upgrade and the

 

         18   casino floor post-upgrade.  Come on.  And, finally, we added

 

         19   additional exterior signs.

 

         20                  We hope the state of Missouri is getting used

 

         21   to this -- the Mr. Terrible.  I know when we first came here a

 

         22   few years ago, the Commissioners all were a little concerned

 

         23   about the name and the the image.  And I hope the state of

 

         24   Missouri has come to accept and approve that image.

 

         25                  In 2007, we anticipate additional

 

 

 

 

 

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          1   $1.85 million in capital expenditure.  The majority of that

 

          2   will be spent upgrading our surveillance equipment and

 

          3   upgrading and adding additional gaming devices to the casino

 

          4   floor.

 

          5                  Demographics:  93 percent of our employees

 

          6   come from the state of Missouri, 7 percent from Kansas.  We

 

          7   have minority employees of 8 percent and females make up

 

          8   59 percent of our work staff or work force.

 

          9                  We are one of the three largest employers in

 

         10   St. Jo, Buchanan County.  And we're very proud of it of that.

 

         11   We think we offer high-paying jobs to the community there.

 

         12   The employment -- unemployment for St. Jo actually dropped

 

         13   significantly from 2005 to 2006 from 5.8 to 4.2 percent which

 

         14   was obviously a significant drop year to year.

 

         15                  Minority contractors, we -- I'm going to back

 

         16   up.  In St. Jo, we have -- 8 percent of our vendors are

 

         17   minorities.  Obviously I just showed you our demographics from

 

         18   our work staff.  The company does employ, as its main building

 

         19   contractor in the state of Nevada, a completely minority-owned

 

         20   business.  It does not do this here in Missouri, but as a

 

         21   company, we do employ and are sensitive to the minority

 

         22   contractors.

 

         23                  In the Commissioners' packet there is the

 

         24   employee compensation slide that is not up here, which breaks

 

         25   down compensation by job title and responsibility.

 

 

 

 

 

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          1                  Obviously with regard to problem gambling,

 

          2   members of our executives serve on the National Council for

 

          3   Problem Gambling, the Nevada Council for Problem Gambling, the

 

          4   Nevada Governor's Committee on Problem Gambling and we also

 

          5   are contributors to the Problem Gambling Center.  We also

 

          6   cooperate and participate in the programs through the Missouri

 

          7   Gaming Association on problem gambling and -- and send out

 

          8   literature with regard to that.

 

          9                  There's some of our additional items that take

 

         10   care of on -- at the property level with regard to our

 

         11   training, our responsible gambling week and management

 

         12   seminars.

 

         13                  Obviously with regard to underage gaming,

 

         14   we're sensitive to that not only in Missouri but in all our

 

         15   jurisdictions.  And we check IDs for all persons obviously

 

         16   entering the casino.  In Missouri, unlike other jurisdictions,

 

         17   you've got your -- the card to play is required, so that

 

         18   certainly helps with that here.

 

         19                  The crime rate for St. Jo is there, both

 

         20   violent and property crimes versus the national average.  And

 

         21   charitable contributions, again, these are just a few of the

 

         22   names we gave larger charitable contributions.  The

 

         23   Commissioners have further backup to those contributions in

 

         24   their packet.  And I think we're one of the -- probably one of

 

         25   the larger contributors to the United Way in St. Jo in the

 

 

 

 

 

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          1   area.

 

          2                  Additionally, we're very proud and happy that

 

          3   our employees are involved in civic organizations and

 

          4   charitable organizations.  That's just a sampling of some of

 

          5   the organizations various of our employees are involved with.

 

          6                  At this time, I would like to introduce Dan

 

          7   Houseman, county commissioner from Buchanan County, Ken

 

          8   Shearin, mayor of St. Joseph, Missouri, and Bill Falkner, who

 

          9   is a city councilman from St. Jo, Missouri.

 

         10                  MAYOR SHEARIN:  Good morning Chairman and

 

         11   members of the Board.  City of St. Jo, as you know, has always

 

         12   been a town where the west officially started getting wild.

 

         13   So when this name Terrible Casino came in, we've changed the

 

         14   name to Terribly Appreciated.  So I apologize for that.

 

         15                  I'm not going to bore you with 150 things that

 

         16   they've done.  I'm going to recap some of the uses that the

 

         17   city applies with their money.  For example, we -- the money

 

         18   they have donated to the city or through that gate has

 

         19   contributed to emergency information kits, American Disability

 

         20   compliance efforts, regional food bank supply, marketing the

 

         21   city to business interests all across the country, Chamber

 

         22   economic development contract, community strategic plan, five

 

         23   public festivals, playground equipment for kids --

 

         24   under-privileged kids, three different charities, University

 

         25   life science incubator, public safety media announcements,

 

 

 

 

 

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          1   Living History Park and Urban Trail Development, downtown

 

          2   cleanup campaign, property maintenance demolition effort.

 

          3                  And so far since the capital improvements have

 

          4   taken place, we have scheduled several meetings with them to

 

          5   make sure they have to pay for breakfast and lunch.  So what

 

          6   I'm telling you guys is the contributions they make to the

 

          7   city the short time I've been mayor, I've been overwhelmed by

 

          8   their generosity.

 

          9                  And the main thing is, since they've done this

 

         10   renovation and they've contributed to this remarkable change,

 

         11   many more civic organizations are now using their facility to

 

         12   hold meetings where they never did before.  I appreciate your

 

         13   time.  Thank you.

 

         14                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  Thank you.

 

         15                  MR. HOUSEMAN:  Commissioners, I'm Dan Houseman

 

         16   representing the county of Buchanan County.  I'm here to voice

 

         17   my support and the county's support for Terrible's Casino.

 

         18                  We consider them to be a good corporate

 

         19   citizen in our county.  Whenever we need anything, they're

 

         20   ready to step up to the table and cooperate with us.  As you

 

         21   can see from the previous slides, they're contributors to a

 

         22   lot of charities in our community and we feel like they're a

 

         23   valued citizen and we'd like to keep them there.  Thank you.

 

         24                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  Thank you.

 

         25                  MR. HIGGINS:  Chairman, Commissioners at this

 

 

 

 

 

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          1   time, I can answer questions with regard to the specific

 

          2   property if you'd like or -- I don't know if you'd like to

 

          3   wait until after both presentations.  Certainly it's your

 

          4   pleasure.  And I also have Craig Travers, the general manager

 

          5   from the St. Jo property, here to answer any questions you

 

          6   might have of him specifically.

 

          7                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  Are there any questions that

 

          8   anyone here would like to ask?

 

          9                  COMMISSIONER JONES:  Do you want --

 

         10                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  Let's treat each of them

 

         11   separately.

 

         12                  COMMISSIONER JONES:  Yeah.  Good morning.  You

 

         13   know, I have a couple of questions.  A couple of slides that

 

         14   we have in our book you're stating that you have 20

 

         15   minority/female-owned contractors, but then in the information

 

         16   that we received there's only 7.  That's a difference of 13.

 

         17                  And on that same note, when you start looking

 

         18   at the numbers, you're only looking at maybe possibly --

 

         19   because the total capital expenditures is about $5.6 million

 

         20   according to the slide, but if you look at the

 

         21   minority/female-owned businesses that participated, you're

 

         22   only looking at maybe possibly about $56,000.  And I just have

 

         23   a problem with that.

 

         24                  And also in that same -- in the same vein, you

 

         25   state that Mr. Travers is actively pursuing minority- and

 

 

 

 

 

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          1   female-owned businesses.  I know he's from the -- well, I'm

 

          2   not going to say he started his career out of the St. Louis

 

          3   area, but he's very familiar with the St. Louis and

 

          4   metropolitan area for -- from, you know, his time on the

 

          5   Casino Queen.

 

          6                  Now, I'm just trying to put all that together.

 

          7   Now, if he's from that area and he's actively trying to pursue

 

          8   and you only end up with seven companies at a cost of maybe

 

          9   $56,000, it's just -- it's just not clicking for me.

 

         10                  MR. HIGGINS:  Well, I can certainly -- I think

 

         11   the mayor also would like to answer that.

 

         12                  MAYOR SHEARIN:  We have a big problem in

 

         13   St. Jo in that we got 2 1/2 percent minority.  And we don't

 

         14   know how that happened or why it happened, but, therefore,

 

         15   with that kind of a population disproportionate, it is hard to

 

         16   find enough qualified minority contractors, anything from

 

         17   major buildings -- and we're having the problem with the city

 

         18   doing exactly the same thing.  We have to go outside of our

 

         19   city to try to meet that quota, which we are doing.

 

         20                  And I understand that -- that is a very, very

 

         21   low number by anybody's standard, but it's a reality.  So,

 

         22   therefore, it makes it difficult to try to meet these national

 

         23   guidelines.  I wish there was something we could do about it.

 

         24   We can't make people move.

 

         25                  COMMISSIONER JONES:  No, but as far as

 

 

 

 

 

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          1   contractors, you have -- 60 miles or away or less you have the

 

          2   Kansas City proper and --

 

          3                  MAYOR SHEARIN:  That adds a lot of cost to it

 

          4   too, sir.  I can't speak for these gentlemen, but the city is

 

          5   looking at especially for CBDG efforts and we're having a

 

          6   really hard time finding minority-operated business.  If you

 

          7   check the -- if you check the status of St. Jo and Buchanan

 

          8   County, I think we'll agree with that.

 

          9                  So it's not a matter of we're not trying to.

 

         10   It's just that adding to the budget for doing so, it's a

 

         11   catch-22 which is the best way to go with that.  And I

 

         12   apologize for that, but it's nothing that I had any control

 

         13   over.

 

         14                  MR. HIGGINS:  Thank you, sir.

 

         15                  Commissioner Jones, I'm going to echo a lot of

 

         16   what the mayor had to say.  I didn't know he was going to walk

 

         17   up here.  But the fact of the matter is, we try to get people

 

         18   from the metropolitan areas.  Obviously with this boat in

 

         19   St. Jo, 60 miles away you have Kansas City, but the fact of

 

         20   the matter is if the minority contractor wants to come up,

 

         21   he's going to add that travel time in his costs and it becomes

 

         22   economically unfeasible, you end up paying a lot more for

 

         23   identical services because there simply aren't those

 

         24   contractors.

 

         25                  And when I say "contractors," I'm talking

 

 

 

 

 

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          1   about food vendors or, you know, linen supply people, you

 

          2   know, or any variety of contractors not just construction

 

          3   contractors, but --

 

          4                  COMMISSIONER JONES:  Absolutely.

 

          5                  MR. HIGGINS:  Obviously the 5.6 million we

 

          6   spent was just in construction at the facility.  But obviously

 

          7   we spent millions more in paper products, in food products.

 

          8   And the fact of the matter is those vendors simply in St. Jo

 

          9   area on a minority basis don't exist.

 

         10                  And the fact of the matter is when we tried to

 

         11   get people from Kansas City to come up, you end up having a

 

         12   much higher cost for those products and services because

 

         13   you're not in that major metropolitan area where you have

 

         14   vendors who can fill those needs at a same or similar cost to

 

         15   non-minority-owned businesses.

 

         16                  COMMISSIONER JONES:  Well, it appears to me

 

         17   that you have two properties -- and by the way, since you guys

 

         18   have, you know, I -- and I really have a special place in my

 

         19   heart for St. Jo because I started kind of my business career

 

         20   in St. Jo and I love St. Jo, home of the Pony Express and

 

         21   everything else.  Love it.

 

         22                  But anyway, it seems like there should be some

 

         23   type of negotiations.  You have two properties.  And if you're

 

         24   able to I guess the negotiate with some of the contractors out

 

         25   of the Kansas City area to supply linen or whatever else to

 

 

 

 

 

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          1   both properties, maybe it will -- it will help them with

 

          2   theirs and not have that high cost, you know, passed on to --

 

          3   to you guys.  You know, economies of scale and stuff so --

 

          4                  MR. HIGGINS:  And we certainly could attempt

 

          5   that.  Obviously the issue is, being in the northwest and

 

          6   northeast side of the state, the metropolitan area where we

 

          7   tried to draw contractors for LaGrange is the St. Louis

 

          8   market.  So that's where our efforts are there.

 

          9                  When we try to get minority contractors, we

 

         10   really -- come out of LaGrange, out of the Mark Twain vessel,

 

         11   it's really trying to come down from St. Louis, not across the

 

         12   state from Kansas City.  So, unfortunately, you end up with

 

         13   two distinct markets, the northwest and northeast side of the

 

         14   state here, you know, in very small almost rural areas.

 

         15                  I understand and I'm very well aware of

 

         16    your -- of your issue.  Like I said, we have attempted -- and

 

         17   I think, you know, even in our second property we've -- we put

 

         18   advertisements in the minority-owned business magazines in

 

         19   St. Louis continuously and get no responses from anyone.  You

 

         20   know, we can't force people to come and work for us if they

 

         21   simply don't want to do that.  That's -- but we certainly are

 

         22   making those efforts, we believe, in good faith.

 

         23                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  You did comment that you have

 

         24   contracted with Bentarin (ph.) --

 

         25                  MR. HIGGINS:  Yeah.

 

 

 

 

 

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          1                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  -- from Las Vegas?

 

          2                  MR. HIGGINS:  We just did a major renovation

 

          3   at our Las Vegas property, a brand-new garage and brand-new

 

          4   hotel.  That was about a $28 million -- $24 million project

 

          5   and they were the prime contractor.  They were the prime

 

          6   contractor on that contract and they're 100 percent

 

          7   minority-owned business.

 

          8                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  And the 8 percent that you

 

          9   were mentioning by volume of your expenditures, did that

 

         10   include the Las Vegas property?

 

         11                  MR. HIGGINS:  No, that did not.  That included

 

         12   this single property.  I think it was just on -- the

 

         13   5.6 million I thought it was a total of 8 point -- 8 percent

 

         14   not by volume, by number.  Not by volume, but number of

 

         15   contractor.  But, no, that did not include Las Vegas at all or

 

         16   any of our properties there.

 

         17                  CHAIRMAN SHULL:  Are there other questions or

 

         18   comments?

 

         19                  COMMISSIONER JONES:  You didn't answer one of

 

         20   them, the difference between the 13 or the 7 contractors in

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